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JR and I go way back and his perspective is super valuable for the clienting podcast. He started out on the account side, so he has worked with both clients and creatives. Then he (somewhat unexpectedly) moved west to follow a dream and ended up working his way up the ladder at Papa Murphy’s Pizza, a large take-and-bake pizza chain on the west coast. We talk about competition, agency onboarding, satisfying stakeholders, creative briefs, and more.